You guys suck

anon · Post by **anon** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:42 pm

I can't believe you have to pay for the docs. You guys are so full of crap selling that. Sell a boxed set, with a cd & book, don't sell the documentation not included. Works for Slackware, and people are much more willing to buy things when it's not extortion. I just hope you don't consider yourselves part of the open-source community.

Post by **Taqua** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:31 pm

Hi Anonymous,

well, I guess you have a little misconception of what we are doing here: We do not sell JFreeChart (or any other JFree* package) - you can use it free of charge, without any artificial limitations attached to it.

The documentation of JFreeChart does not add any magic new feature to the code that would be unavailable otherwise. All it does, is to enable the developers to get started with JFreeChart faster than without it. But that doesn't mean that you can't use JFreeChart without that documentation. You can; if you are willing to study the demos and the JavaDoc and to invest time. Time! Not money! All David does is to decide whether you are willing to trade money for time. That's how this world works, isn't it?

Software developers who need results very fast, will surely invest the money ($39,95!) to safe time. Now, assuming an incredibly low wage of 10$ per hour (are there professional programmers out there, who get that less?), that expense would have paid out, if that documentaion safed you 4 hours! And honestly, the documentation will safe you more than 4 hours when trying to learn JFreeChart.

<sarkasm>
I can promise: Once that promised land comes true, where we don't have to pay money for rent or daily food, where poverty is no longer a threat, because all people get their support from the state's welfare system, at that moment we will stop asking people for money for the documentation. </sarkasm>

If you want a boxed set, and if you are willing to pay the price, then try a google search for chart compoent libraries. You will find plenty commercial alternatives which have a manual inside their box - right beside the CD. Oh, I forgot: This will be a lot more expensive than the $39.95 David asks for the documentation. So the choice is yours, and yours alone. Are you willing to pay $0.00 and invest time, or $39.95 for the documentation or much more than $39.95 to buy a commercial product.

And yes, we consider ourselfs as part of the opensource community. But maybe you should stop thinking about free beer and start thinking about freedom of speech. This is what free software means (to us).

Have more fun,
(while searching a less expensive alternative)
said Thomas

Post by **david.gilbert** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:28 am

anon wrote:I can't believe you have to pay for the docs. You guys are so full of crap selling that. Sell a boxed set, with a cd & book, don't sell the documentation not included. Works for Slackware, and people are much more willing to buy things when it's not extortion. I just hope you don't consider yourselves part of the open-source community.

Oh, heck, what am I going to do now that you've exposed my evil plan for world domination.

arnaud · Post by **arnaud** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:40 pm

... not to mention that David, Taqua and tons of other great people are spending much much time to answer questions in these forums making it become a free great knowledge base !

Are they payed for that ? Do they deserve such nice compliments as yours, Mr Anonymous ??

Arnaud

guest · Post by **guest** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:26 pm

I don't think this organization around buying documentation is that much different than Apache has done with Log4j.

Post by **david.gilbert** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:57 am

For those that can't or won't pay for the JFreeChart Developer Guide, there is an excellent tutorial here:

http://www.informit.com/guides/content. ... &seqNum=74

Have a nice weekend...

anon2 · Post by **anon2** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 4:30 am

The latest version doesn't even have the demo files anymore. I went back the the previous version, but it seems the package structure is different now. Sell the docs, fine, but at least include some demo code. I think you're going to see less people using jfreechart if you don't give some demo code to help get newbies started.

jmlynn · Post by **jmlynn** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:04 pm

anon2 wrote:The latest version doesn't even have the demo files anymore. I went back the the previous version, but it seems the package structure is different now. Sell the docs, fine, but at least include some demo code. I think you're going to see less people using jfreechart if you don't give some demo code to help get newbies started.

I agree! JFreeChart should includes the demo applicaton source to show all the basic features of JFreeChart.

For those who want to use JFreeChart to create sophisticated char at expert level then should buy the document.

iogan18tm_asguest · Post by **iogan18tm_asguest** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 7:29 pm

Guys, i hope, no one is offended here (yet). Keep it that way.

Not-documented guys - you're somewhat crazy. Are you looking for a free chart lib to include in your commercial work or waged work? Maybe, you should let it also be free (as if JfreeChart was strict GPLed)?

Also, when you use commercial product its often you cant see the code. Dont you think that JfreeChart is more than text. It has well-documented classes, well-supported forum. So dont panic - take a look in the Javadoc. Ask questions. Thanx to David Jfreechart is not very compilcated.

www.jfree.org

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Should include demo sample code

Guide